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		<title>By: Scott Gunn</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3704</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wmpaul, This is a quote from Duncan: &quot;We’ll leave and they can take the stuff with them to hell, because that is where they will take it.&quot; Nothing to do with the ABC. That&#039;s Duncan saying that TEC is going to hell. Plain as day.

See here:
http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/church-militant/

Please tell me in what way it is inaccurate to say that Duncan has consigned me and every other Episcopalian to hell.

Peace,
 Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wmpaul, This is a quote from Duncan: &#8220;We’ll leave and they can take the stuff with them to hell, because that is where they will take it.&#8221; Nothing to do with the ABC. That&#8217;s Duncan saying that TEC is going to hell. Plain as day.</p>
<p>See here:<br />
<a href="http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/church-militant/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/church-militant/</a></p>
<p>Please tell me in what way it is inaccurate to say that Duncan has consigned me and every other Episcopalian to hell.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
 Scott</p>
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		<title>By: wmpaul@excite.com</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3703</link>
		<dc:creator>wmpaul@excite.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott you say &quot;As for Duncan, I think it’s neither gentle nor temperate to declare without reservation that a large number of people are consigned to eternal damnation.&quot;

But Duncan has never said anything close to that. In fact, you take what he did say about the ABC losing his &lt;em&gt;office&lt;/em&gt;, meaning losing the centrality and gravitas of it among the Communion b/c he has not been clear and strong enough  . . .you take that to be about eternal damnation and print a very misleading headline, along with the simply flat out inaccuracy of what you say Duncan said in your post to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott you say &#8220;As for Duncan, I think it’s neither gentle nor temperate to declare without reservation that a large number of people are consigned to eternal damnation.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Duncan has never said anything close to that. In fact, you take what he did say about the ABC losing his <em>office</em>, meaning losing the centrality and gravitas of it among the Communion b/c he has not been clear and strong enough  . . .you take that to be about eternal damnation and print a very misleading headline, along with the simply flat out inaccuracy of what you say Duncan said in your post to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Gunn</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3701</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wmpaul, can you tell me where in this article you find an ad hominem attack? I will freely admit that I adopt a somewhat cheeky style when I write on 7WD, but that is intended primarily as humor. Sometimes, sadly, I probably cross over the line and neglect to respect others. When that happens, and I either realize it or it&#039;s pointed out, I generally post a comment/correction within the post and contact the relevant person.

As for Duncan, I think it&#039;s neither gentle nor temperate to declare without reservation that a large number of people are consigned to eternal damnation. If you think it&#039;s an ad hominem attack for me to point this out, then I&#039;m not sure what else to say to you.

My general aim here is to write with a lightness because I think most of us take ourselves too seriously in the Church. I try to take it as I dish it out. My proverbial pen looks at progressives and conservatives alike. Lately I&#039;ve been scrutinizing ACNA because they have perpetuated a false narrative to the world, especially to the Church of England on the eve of its vote re: the ACNA issue.

Pax,
 Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wmpaul, can you tell me where in this article you find an ad hominem attack? I will freely admit that I adopt a somewhat cheeky style when I write on 7WD, but that is intended primarily as humor. Sometimes, sadly, I probably cross over the line and neglect to respect others. When that happens, and I either realize it or it&#8217;s pointed out, I generally post a comment/correction within the post and contact the relevant person.</p>
<p>As for Duncan, I think it&#8217;s neither gentle nor temperate to declare without reservation that a large number of people are consigned to eternal damnation. If you think it&#8217;s an ad hominem attack for me to point this out, then I&#8217;m not sure what else to say to you.</p>
<p>My general aim here is to write with a lightness because I think most of us take ourselves too seriously in the Church. I try to take it as I dish it out. My proverbial pen looks at progressives and conservatives alike. Lately I&#8217;ve been scrutinizing ACNA because they have perpetuated a false narrative to the world, especially to the Church of England on the eve of its vote re: the ACNA issue.</p>
<p>Pax,<br />
 Scott</p>
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		<title>By: wmpaul@excite.com</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3699</link>
		<dc:creator>wmpaul@excite.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be helpful to you, Scott. Fine to call Duncan and others secessionists. But you routinely go so far over the line and, really in general, your articles are fundamentally ad hominem, slamming the person, and not focused on some very simple questions (which may not have simple answers) like &#039;Can Diocese leave?&#039; and others that you know.  

And, of course, when the Primates warned ECUSA not to proceed in 2003 b/c such an action would &#039;tear the sacramental unity of the church at a fundamental level&#039; which is a darn good working definition of schism, how is it that you persist in calling others schismatic?  

And why do you blog?  I would love for you to look closely at Duncan and see that he has never, to my knowledge, slammed anyone else, but has been temperate and gentle in a way, well, in a way others, on the other side of the aisle, and on his own side, have not.

From another blog:

&quot;Our standards....are simple: We expect you to comment with Christian charity toward your fellow readers and to those whose causes are mentioned in the blog. This means that we will not permit comments which advocate physical or spiritual harm to an individual (i.e., wishing someone would soon “meet his maker” or burn in hell). Comments that include slanderous or abusive name-calling will be edited or deleted. You can disagree with someone’s point of view, but you cannot — to give one recent, extreme submission that got cut — call someone “a disobedient, self-willed sociopath.” Even milder forms of name-calling, such as questioning someone’s intelligence, likely will be excised.

And it goes without saying that foul language will not be permitted. Also, hyperlinks to outside Internet sites within a comment will only be allowed when judged to be crucial to the commenter’s point. Fine to call Duncan and others seccessionists

How can you meet these standards? Just stick to the issue being discussed and leave out the personalities. Back up your argument, telling why you disagree instead of saying that someone’s suggestion is stupid. Remember, Jesus had strong views, but he didn’t tear us down to illustrate his points or bring us salvation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be helpful to you, Scott. Fine to call Duncan and others secessionists. But you routinely go so far over the line and, really in general, your articles are fundamentally ad hominem, slamming the person, and not focused on some very simple questions (which may not have simple answers) like &#8216;Can Diocese leave?&#8217; and others that you know.  </p>
<p>And, of course, when the Primates warned ECUSA not to proceed in 2003 b/c such an action would &#8216;tear the sacramental unity of the church at a fundamental level&#8217; which is a darn good working definition of schism, how is it that you persist in calling others schismatic?  </p>
<p>And why do you blog?  I would love for you to look closely at Duncan and see that he has never, to my knowledge, slammed anyone else, but has been temperate and gentle in a way, well, in a way others, on the other side of the aisle, and on his own side, have not.</p>
<p>From another blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our standards&#8230;.are simple: We expect you to comment with Christian charity toward your fellow readers and to those whose causes are mentioned in the blog. This means that we will not permit comments which advocate physical or spiritual harm to an individual (i.e., wishing someone would soon “meet his maker” or burn in hell). Comments that include slanderous or abusive name-calling will be edited or deleted. You can disagree with someone’s point of view, but you cannot — to give one recent, extreme submission that got cut — call someone “a disobedient, self-willed sociopath.” Even milder forms of name-calling, such as questioning someone’s intelligence, likely will be excised.</p>
<p>And it goes without saying that foul language will not be permitted. Also, hyperlinks to outside Internet sites within a comment will only be allowed when judged to be crucial to the commenter’s point. Fine to call Duncan and others seccessionists</p>
<p>How can you meet these standards? Just stick to the issue being discussed and leave out the personalities. Back up your argument, telling why you disagree instead of saying that someone’s suggestion is stupid. Remember, Jesus had strong views, but he didn’t tear us down to illustrate his points or bring us salvation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Anglicans</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking Anglicans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tales from ACNA-land...&lt;/strong&gt;

Scott Gunn has posted a series of blog articles recently commenting on various matters relating to ACNA. Some examples: Putting the shoe on your foot “Church Militant” gets new meaning Duncan says Canterbury is “lost”......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tales from ACNA-land&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Scott Gunn has posted a series of blog articles recently commenting on various matters relating to ACNA. Some examples: Putting the shoe on your foot “Church Militant” gets new meaning Duncan says Canterbury is “lost”&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3661</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly bizarre. Obviously he is the only person who can be trusted to keep Christianity from error. Do you think he might be trying out for Ecumenical Patriarch too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly bizarre. Obviously he is the only person who can be trusted to keep Christianity from error. Do you think he might be trying out for Ecumenical Patriarch too?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2010/02/06/canterbury-is-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-3652</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to see that they&#039;re finally showing their true colors.  It&#039;s not that Duncan wants to be &quot;Anglican,&quot; it&#039;s that he wants to be Pope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to see that they&#8217;re finally showing their true colors.  It&#8217;s not that Duncan wants to be &#8220;Anglican,&#8221; it&#8217;s that he wants to be Pope.</p>
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