Comments on: Of “bonds of affection” and misplaced anxiety http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/ "Seven whole days, not one in seven, I will praise thee" -- George Herbert (1633) Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:42:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Frances L http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3216 Frances L Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:26:14 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3216 Regarding the hierarchy of TEC: Immaturity knows no bounds. Regarding the hierarchy of TEC: Immaturity knows no bounds.

]]> By: Patricia Robinson http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3137 Patricia Robinson Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:06:50 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3137 Thanks. I'm grateful for your courage in speaking out and I'm proud of my church! I only wish that my late friend Bill Landram (deacon for many years and then finally priest) were still here to read your article. Advent is about hope, and you have given me that. Thanks. I’m grateful for your courage in speaking out and I’m proud of my church! I only wish that my late friend Bill Landram (deacon for many years and then finally priest) were still here to read your article. Advent is about hope, and you have given me that.

]]> By: Stuart Scarborough http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3132 Stuart Scarborough Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:34:28 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3132 Very well written. I must add that I have know Mary Glasspool personally for about 10 years and she has been very influential to me and to many in this MD Diocese. She is an extremely talented and spiritually gifted person. God's grace flows abundantly through her. Very well written.

I must add that I have know Mary Glasspool personally for about 10 years and she has been very influential to me and to many in this MD Diocese. She is an extremely talented and spiritually gifted person.

God’s grace flows abundantly through her.

]]> By: Suem http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3130 Suem Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:51:24 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3130 Cowering in fear, hiding cowardice behind grand words. I am afraid, as a Brit, our leaders have lost their integrity in my eyes. The TEC has truly grown up, shame on those who hide behind lies, hypocrisy and cant. Cowering in fear, hiding cowardice behind grand words. I am afraid, as a Brit, our leaders have lost their integrity in my eyes. The TEC has truly grown up, shame on those who hide behind lies, hypocrisy and cant.

]]> By: Kirk Smith http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3129 Kirk Smith Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:11:04 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3129 Another excellent and insightful piece. I am going to reprint it in my weekly "E-pistle" to the Diocese of Arizona. Another excellent and insightful piece. I am going to reprint it in my weekly “E-pistle” to the Diocese of Arizona.

]]> By: Bill Moorhead http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3128 Bill Moorhead Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:02:15 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3128 Thank you for an excellent article, Scott. I find it incredible that in the self-proclaimed Fount Of All Anglicanism (the C of E) many folks (not all!) are still wetting themselves over whether a woman priest can be consecrated to the episcopate. Brothers (and it is mostly brothers!), it's over! It's a done deal! And now we are making progress on the issue of committed, partnered gays and lesbians. It's about time, though there is still a long way to go. We understand that many Churches in the Anglican Communion are not prepared to go there yet. Okay. We can live with that (although gays in Uganda can't). "If you think differently about anything, this too God will reveal to you. Only let us hold fast to what we have attained." We are happy to be in communion with any who are willing to be in communion with us. But please do not dump your garbage in our back yard. Ecumenical relations? Rowan, don't you understand that the Christian churches with the vast majority of members (i.e. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox) are opposed to the consecration of a married bishop? But they don't usually say anything to you, because they don't think your consecration is valid anyway, so it doesn't really matter. I nominate Rowan Williams for the 2009 Bishop John Henry Hopkins Award. Thank you for an excellent article, Scott.

I find it incredible that in the self-proclaimed Fount Of All Anglicanism (the C of E) many folks (not all!) are still wetting themselves over whether a woman priest can be consecrated to the episcopate. Brothers (and it is mostly brothers!), it’s over! It’s a done deal!

And now we are making progress on the issue of committed, partnered gays and lesbians. It’s about time, though there is still a long way to go.

We understand that many Churches in the Anglican Communion are not prepared to go there yet. Okay. We can live with that (although gays in Uganda can’t). “If you think differently about anything, this too God will reveal to you. Only let us hold fast to what we have attained.” We are happy to be in communion with any who are willing to be in communion with us. But please do not dump your garbage in our back yard.

Ecumenical relations? Rowan, don’t you understand that the Christian churches with the vast majority of members (i.e. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox) are opposed to the consecration of a married bishop? But they don’t usually say anything to you, because they don’t think your consecration is valid anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.

I nominate Rowan Williams for the 2009 Bishop John Henry Hopkins Award.

]]> By: Thinking Anglicans http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3126 Thinking Anglicans Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:48:40 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3126 <strong>commentary on the Los Angeles election...</strong> Savi Hensman has written A bishop Anglicans can live with. Riazat Butt has written Election of lesbian bishop divides Anglican community. Paul Vallely has written Rowan Williams cannot now prevent an Anglican schism. Scott Gunn has written Of “bonds of... commentary on the Los Angeles election…

Savi Hensman has written A bishop Anglicans can live with. Riazat Butt has written Election of lesbian bishop divides Anglican community. Paul Vallely has written Rowan Williams cannot now prevent an Anglican schism. Scott Gunn has written Of “bonds of…

]]> By: Marshall Rice http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3125 Marshall Rice Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:42:08 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3125 Right on, Scott. Thank you! Right on, Scott. Thank you!

]]> By: Jessica Gates http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3124 Jessica Gates Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:07:27 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3124 I have shared this on FB. I am always full of thanks that our diocese has your voice in it. I think you truly reflect what many of us are thinking, you just articulate it SO MUCH BETTER! Thanks Scott. I have shared this on FB. I am always full of thanks that our diocese has your voice in it. I think you truly reflect what many of us are thinking, you just articulate it SO MUCH BETTER! Thanks Scott.

]]> By: Advent and Surprised by God « He tabernacled among us too http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3122 Advent and Surprised by God « He tabernacled among us too Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:29:48 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3122 [...] For a close up view, and a very thoughtful analysis of the issues surrounding Rev Mary Douglas Glasspool’s election read my friend Scott Gunn’s blog here [...] [...] For a close up view, and a very thoughtful analysis of the issues surrounding Rev Mary Douglas Glasspool’s election read my friend Scott Gunn’s blog here [...]

]]> By: James Mackay http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3121 James Mackay Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:26:04 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3121 There is a time not long ago that neither of the women who were elected bishops suffragan for the Diocese of Los Angeles would have been elected. Canon Glasspool's sexual orientation is getting all the press. However, that Canon Jardine Bruce has been treated in 1009 for "The Big C" -- as it was often called when I was growing up in the 1960s/1970s -- and was still elected cannot be dismissed as substantial cultural growth in my 49 years on this planet. It has not been that long ago that there was often a stigma with cancer patients and survivors. No, what is truly remarkable in all of this is that the Diocese of Los Angeles gathered in convention elected two persons who were qualified and did not succomb Ye Olde Fear of Cooties -- be they from gender, from disease, from sexual orientation, from ageism, or from classism. What a wonderful Advent gift for the Church! There is a time not long ago that neither of the women who were elected bishops suffragan for the Diocese of Los Angeles would have been elected. Canon Glasspool’s sexual orientation is getting all the press. However, that Canon Jardine Bruce has been treated in 1009 for “The Big C” — as it was often called when I was growing up in the 1960s/1970s — and was still elected cannot be dismissed as substantial cultural growth in my 49 years on this planet. It has not been that long ago that there was often a stigma with cancer patients and survivors.

No, what is truly remarkable in all of this is that the Diocese of Los Angeles gathered in convention elected two persons who were qualified and did not succomb Ye Olde Fear of Cooties — be they from gender, from disease, from sexual orientation, from ageism, or from classism.

What a wonderful Advent gift for the Church!

]]> By: Rev Dr John L Myers http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3118 Rev Dr John L Myers Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:11:49 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3118 Well done, indeed! I'm proud as always to read your even pen. Curious to me, though, how such uproar would happen in the A.C. about ordianing such a person as suffragen is against "Biblical" teaching. In fact, NONE of my translations here say anything at all, Zero, Nada, Zilch, about lesbianism. Canterbury might want to consult his King James more closely before he speaks. This priest, so touched by the love of God and her diocese, has less to defend herself against "Biblical Teaching" than myownself last night with that wonderful dinner of fried oysters, and then country style steak with milk gravy. What does such a double-abonimation get the preach, beyond per'aps a Tums or two? Go in peace and pray for me, a sinner! - JLM Well done, indeed! I’m proud as always to read your even pen.

Curious to me, though, how such uproar would happen in the A.C. about ordianing such a person as suffragen is against “Biblical” teaching.

In fact, NONE of my translations here say anything at all, Zero, Nada, Zilch, about lesbianism. Canterbury might want to consult his King James more closely before he speaks.

This priest, so touched by the love of God and her diocese, has less to defend herself against “Biblical Teaching” than myownself last night with that wonderful dinner of fried oysters, and then country style steak with milk gravy.

What does such a double-abonimation get the preach, beyond per’aps a Tums or two?

Go in peace and pray for me, a sinner!
– JLM

]]> By: Scott Gunn http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3117 Scott Gunn Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:17:32 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3117 Solange, thanks for your correction. I've made note of that in the text. As I say there, my general point remains. It's the bishops who are lagging behind on this one, and they've not heard from any GLBT folks as far as I know. SG Solange, thanks for your correction. I’ve made note of that in the text. As I say there, my general point remains. It’s the bishops who are lagging behind on this one, and they’ve not heard from any GLBT folks as far as I know.

SG

]]> By: Solange http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3116 Solange Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:07:41 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3116 Hey Scott, Just one little correction. Actually, an openly gay person has addressed a meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council - in 2005, in Nottingham. I was there. It was Peter Elliott, dean of the Cathedral in Vancouver, British Columbia. His presentation was quite moving. The ENS story: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_63066_ENG_HTM.htm Hey Scott,

Just one little correction. Actually, an openly gay person has addressed a meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council – in 2005, in Nottingham. I was there. It was Peter Elliott, dean of the Cathedral in Vancouver, British Columbia. His presentation was quite moving. The ENS story: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_63066_ENG_HTM.htm

]]> By: leon d berg http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3115 leon d berg Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:58:48 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3115 I was so impressed with this post, that I felt impressed to share it by email tonight with the "First Presidency" of Community of Christ denomination in Independence MO. As I have followed both the ordinations of LGBT Bishops in the Episcopal church and the current debates going on in Community of Christ about ordaining LGBT non-celibates to priesthood office of any label (and believe me for a small denomination we have several titles to be ordained to), I see a similar journey these two faith communities are on. Of course the Anglican group far outnumbers the Community of Christ in size and scope, but both are world wide communities with the same "fears" that Scott writes about. God bless Father Gunn. (now am I correct that is his correct title?) I was so impressed with this post, that I felt impressed to share it by email tonight with the “First Presidency” of Community of Christ denomination in Independence MO. As I have followed both the ordinations of LGBT Bishops in the Episcopal church and the current debates going on in Community of Christ about ordaining LGBT non-celibates to priesthood office of any label (and believe me for a small denomination we have several titles to be ordained to), I see a similar journey these two faith communities are on. Of course the Anglican group far outnumbers the Community of Christ in size and scope, but both are world wide communities with the same “fears” that Scott writes about. God bless Father Gunn. (now am I correct that is his correct title?)

]]> By: Robin Bugbee http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3114 Robin Bugbee Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:16:47 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3114 Dear Scott. Once again I find myself in full agreement with your expressed position on these issues. And once again I must also state that given the reality that this diocese is being held captive by the freely expressed narrow views of our current leadership, I find the discussion of issues outside of this state pretty sad. Although I certainly would not wish any of the clergy in this diocese to put their livelihood in danger by openly confronting your Bishop on her lack of leadership on these important issues, it is nonetheless true that she continues her tenure here because it is comfortable for her to do so. If more of us were willing to speak up and point out that the bishop (sorry I mean Emperor) has no clothes, she might be encouraged to move on before she reaches age 72. I have no tolerance for bigotry of any kind. We are taught to love our neighbors. Not just the neighbors we love. It is that simple. Thanks so much for providing witness and leadership in a state that so badly needs it. Dear Scott.
Once again I find myself in full agreement with your expressed position on these issues. And once again I must also state that given the reality that this diocese is being held captive by the freely expressed narrow views of our current leadership, I find the discussion of issues outside of this state pretty sad. Although I certainly would not wish any of the clergy in this diocese to put their livelihood in danger by openly confronting your Bishop on her lack of leadership on these important issues, it is nonetheless true that she continues her tenure here because it is comfortable for her to do so. If more of us were willing to speak up and point out that the bishop (sorry I mean Emperor) has no clothes, she might be encouraged to move on before she reaches age 72. I have no tolerance for bigotry of any kind. We are taught to love our neighbors. Not just the neighbors we love. It is that simple. Thanks so much for providing witness and leadership in a state that so badly needs it.

]]> By: Judy Stark http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3113 Judy Stark Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:41:17 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3113 Well said, Scott. I'm reminded of Barbara Harris's comment in her sermon at the Integrity Eucharist at convention: "Since we don't have any say in who gets see-lected as bishops in some other provinces of the communion, why should those in other provinces be able to dictate who can or cannot be ee-lected by the laity and clergy whom they will lead in this branch of Christ's holy and catholic church?" Which is the greater threat to the Kingdom of God: a gay suffragan in California, or the slaughter of gay people in Uganda? (But which is the greater threat to those invested in power and control?) Well said, Scott. I’m reminded of Barbara Harris’s comment in her sermon at the Integrity Eucharist at convention:

“Since we don’t have any say in who gets see-lected as bishops in some other provinces of the communion, why should those in other provinces be able to dictate who can or cannot be ee-lected by the laity and clergy whom they will lead in this branch of Christ’s holy and catholic church?”

Which is the greater threat to the Kingdom of God: a gay suffragan in California, or the slaughter of gay people in Uganda? (But which is the greater threat to those invested in power and control?)

]]> By: Susan Russell http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/12/06/bonds-of-affection/comment-page-1/#comment-3112 Susan Russell Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:41:14 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1809#comment-3112 Bravo! I've linke and "tweeted." AMEN! Bravo! I’ve linke and “tweeted.” AMEN!

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