Comments on: Of holy orders and the Holy Spirit http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/ "Seven whole days, not one in seven, I will praise thee" -- George Herbert (1633) Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:05:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2170 Tom Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:32:37 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2170 I am really so proud of the episcopal church, and think that you are are managing to act gracefully in this whole debate, despite the mud that is being slung around. I hope you know that there are many many of us here in the UK who are with you in prayer and spirit through all this. I am really so proud of the episcopal church, and think that you are are managing to act gracefully in this whole debate, despite the mud that is being slung around.
I hope you know that there are many many of us here in the UK who are with you in prayer and spirit through all this.

]]> By: Rick in Reno, NV - USA http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2152 Rick in Reno, NV - USA Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:50:53 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2152 Amen. There's more work to be done. Amen. There’s more work to be done.

]]> By: Scott Gunn http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2139 Scott Gunn Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:32:01 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2139 Dear John, Interesting point, see my next post responding to Tom Wright. As a church, the Episcopal Church has not yet authorized rites for same-sex blessings. (Their creation for trial use may be authorized at this General Convention.) Some bishops have authorized rites in their dioceses, but until General Convention does something, there are no official rites here. This is precisely the situation in England, by the way, where thousands upon thousands of same-sex blessings have taken place in churches around the country. Local pastoral provision is routine, even while the C of E has not authorized official rites. This technically does not violate Windsor moratoria, though I concede it may violate WR in practice. If so, however, England would be subject to similar sanctions. Pax, Scott Dear John,

Interesting point, see my next post responding to Tom Wright. As a church, the Episcopal Church has not yet authorized rites for same-sex blessings. (Their creation for trial use may be authorized at this General Convention.)

Some bishops have authorized rites in their dioceses, but until General Convention does something, there are no official rites here. This is precisely the situation in England, by the way, where thousands upon thousands of same-sex blessings have taken place in churches around the country. Local pastoral provision is routine, even while the C of E has not authorized official rites.

This technically does not violate Windsor moratoria, though I concede it may violate WR in practice. If so, however, England would be subject to similar sanctions.

Pax,
Scott

]]> By: obadiahslope http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2137 obadiahslope Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:46:27 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2137 Scott, What about the second moratorium: public rites of blessings? Take for example the weddings in california authorised by Bishops Bruno, Beisner and Andrus during the recent period in calfornia when SS Marriages were legal. Here's an account from a resoected source http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_14_125/ai_n27926573/ John Sandeman Scott,
What about the second moratorium: public rites of blessings? Take for example the weddings in california authorised by Bishops Bruno, Beisner and Andrus during the recent period in calfornia when SS Marriages were legal.
Here’s an account from a resoected source http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_14_125/ai_n27926573/

John Sandeman

]]> By: Bob Chapman http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2134 Bob Chapman Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:09:58 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2134 I don't see where the 2006-B033 has been repealed. It discusses consents at the end of the process. Meanwhile, 2009-D025 talks about entry to the process, according to our canons. Our canons are explicit about ordination not being a right, even if admitted to the process. If a bishop is a sign of unity within the whole church, then the wider view must be looked upon--whether or not 2006-B033 is there. There is an elephant in the room that no one is talking about: the episcopal election in Western Michigan. That process has made it easier from now on for consents to be denied. We used to be too polite to deny consents. Not any more. Whether B033 really is there or not, our Anglican ties will be considered whenever a GLBT candidate for bishop is presented. This is true whether the next candidate is 10 months or 10 years from now. My problem with 2006-B033 and 2009-D025 is that canonically both did nothing. Both only yank on emotions. We need to find a way to get beyond emotions on this. I don’t see where the 2006-B033 has been repealed. It discusses consents at the end of the process.

Meanwhile, 2009-D025 talks about entry to the process, according to our canons.

Our canons are explicit about ordination not being a right, even if admitted to the process.

If a bishop is a sign of unity within the whole church, then the wider view must be looked upon–whether or not 2006-B033 is there.

There is an elephant in the room that no one is talking about: the episcopal election in Western Michigan. That process has made it easier from now on for consents to be denied. We used to be too polite to deny consents. Not any more.

Whether B033 really is there or not, our Anglican ties will be considered whenever a GLBT candidate for bishop is presented. This is true whether the next candidate is 10 months or 10 years from now.

My problem with 2006-B033 and 2009-D025 is that canonically both did nothing. Both only yank on emotions. We need to find a way to get beyond emotions on this.

]]> By: leon d berg http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2133 leon d berg Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:58:27 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2133 Great thoughts and explanation for us non Anglicans who follow your ministry. leon Great thoughts and explanation for us non Anglicans who follow your ministry.
leon

]]> By: John-Julian, OJN http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2009/07/14/of-holy-orders-and-the-holy-spirit/comment-page-1/#comment-2131 John-Julian, OJN Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:51:30 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=1368#comment-2131 That's great! Thank you. John-Julian, OJN That’s great! Thank you.

John-Julian, OJN

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