Comments on: The Episcopal Church…slices carrots? http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/ "Seven whole days, not one in seven, I will praise thee" -- George Herbert (1633) Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:05:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tim Chesterton http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-518 Tim Chesterton Fri, 30 May 2008 16:41:02 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-518 Maybe slicing carrots is one of the few things episcopalians can agree on???!!! Seriously, good post. We're way too shy about talking about Jesus. Maybe slicing carrots is one of the few things episcopalians can agree on???!!!

Seriously, good post. We’re way too shy about talking about Jesus.

]]> By: Phil Groom http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Phil Groom Sun, 25 May 2008 11:32:32 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-504 Thanks for coming back to me, Scott. Yes, I think I see more where you're coming from now. Revisiting the 'slice carrots' ad — seems to me it's a call to church members to live out their faith: a reminder that, as you rightly say, salvation is not about getting to heaven: it's about how we live here and now. As Christian Aid like to tell us, it's about life before death. And surely reminding people of that can only be a good thing? Thanks for coming back to me, Scott. Yes, I think I see more where you’re coming from now. Revisiting the ‘slice carrots’ ad — seems to me it’s a call to church members to live out their faith: a reminder that, as you rightly say, salvation is not about getting to heaven: it’s about how we live here and now. As Christian Aid like to tell us, it’s about life before death. And surely reminding people of that can only be a good thing?

]]> By: Scott Gunn http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Scott Gunn Sat, 24 May 2008 22:47:53 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-502 Phil, Context is probably everything. If you read my post, you'll see that I affirm that need to do good things. As you say, they are the fruits of good faith. But over here in ECUSA, it's easy to read official pronouncements with nary a mention of anything that would tell you it's even vaguely Christian. People have begun to equate the MDGs (which I wholly support) with the Church and its purpose. I preach about the need to have a live that's visible and transforming regularly, but I think we must not equate works with faith. That was my point. Does that clarify things in a useful way? Pax, Scott Phil,

Context is probably everything. If you read my post, you’ll see that I affirm that need to do good things. As you say, they are the fruits of good faith. But over here in ECUSA, it’s easy to read official pronouncements with nary a mention of anything that would tell you it’s even vaguely Christian. People have begun to equate the MDGs (which I wholly support) with the Church and its purpose. I preach about the need to have a live that’s visible and transforming regularly, but I think we must not equate works with faith. That was my point. Does that clarify things in a useful way?

Pax,
Scott

]]> By: Phil Groom http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Phil Groom Sat, 24 May 2008 22:43:25 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-501 Yes and no, Scott: faith without works is dead, just as works without faith is dead. Can't have one without t'other. Yes, church is about salvation — but it's about far more than that. Your statement "we’re in the transformation biz, not the good deeds biz" strikes me as a classic case of being right in what you affirm, wrong in what you deny. What kind of transformation is it if it doesn't lead to good deeds? It's not either/or — it's both/and. Let's not simply talk about what we believe: let's live it. That's the advertising the church needs. Yes and no, Scott: faith without works is dead, just as works without faith is dead. Can’t have one without t’other. Yes, church is about salvation — but it’s about far more than that.

Your statement “we’re in the transformation biz, not the good deeds biz” strikes me as a classic case of being right in what you affirm, wrong in what you deny. What kind of transformation is it if it doesn’t lead to good deeds? It’s not either/or — it’s both/and. Let’s not simply talk about what we believe: let’s live it. That’s the advertising the church needs.

]]> By: John http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-492 John Fri, 23 May 2008 23:26:38 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-492 Setting aside Matthew 25 for a moment, I see a spot inviting us to "get closer to God" and serve others. I find serving others positively transformational, and I'm not sure that I ever feel closer to God than when I am feeding the hungry. <a href="http://mission.squarespace.com/" rel="nofollow">Today at the Mission</a> does a better job of talking about that than I can. Scott, what do you make of those last verses in Matthew 25? Setting aside Matthew 25 for a moment, I see a spot inviting us to “get closer to God” and serve others. I find serving others positively transformational, and I’m not sure that I ever feel closer to God than when I am feeding the hungry.

Today at the Mission does a better job of talking about that than I can.

Scott, what do you make of those last verses in Matthew 25?

]]> By: bls http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-489 bls Fri, 23 May 2008 16:27:30 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-489 What does it mean, to be a "disciple of Jesus"? Is it just a lot of talking about Jesus? What's the point of "eternal life"? To talk about Jesus forever? What exactly do "health" and "wholeness" consist of? What is "redemption"? Just curious. What does it mean, to be a “disciple of Jesus”? Is it just a lot of talking about Jesus? What’s the point of “eternal life”? To talk about Jesus forever?

What exactly do “health” and “wholeness” consist of? What is “redemption”?

Just curious.

]]> By: Perpetua http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-488 Perpetua Fri, 23 May 2008 15:26:15 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-488 Excellent. Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly. Excellent. Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly.

]]> By: Phil Snyder http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-487 Phil Snyder Fri, 23 May 2008 14:33:45 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-487 Hi Scott, What a refreshing message to read! From what I've read (in Barclay and other places), the word "eternal" is a qualitative word, not a quantitative one. We think of "eternal life" as a life that doesn't end. In reality, it is God's life that God gives us. It is a different quality of life - a new life. This is what the Church is to be about. Making disciples (apprentices, really) of Jesus Christ who have this eternal life and spread it to others. YBIC, Phil Snyder Hi Scott,

What a refreshing message to read! From what I’ve read (in Barclay and other places), the word “eternal” is a qualitative word, not a quantitative one. We think of “eternal life” as a life that doesn’t end. In reality, it is God’s life that God gives us. It is a different quality of life – a new life.

This is what the Church is to be about. Making disciples (apprentices, really) of Jesus Christ who have this eternal life and spread it to others.

YBIC,
Phil Snyder

]]> By: Peter http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-486 Peter Fri, 23 May 2008 12:40:12 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-486 The best part of the video is the guy's voice. Doesn't he sound like he did all the science filmstrips we watched in fifth grade? What, Wilford Brimley wasn't available? The best part of the video is the guy’s voice. Doesn’t he sound like he did all the science filmstrips we watched in fifth grade? What, Wilford Brimley wasn’t available?

]]> By: Bryan http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Bryan Fri, 23 May 2008 11:49:48 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-485 Thanks for this, Scott. You're touching on some issues around salvation that a clergy colleague and I recently raised on my blog and over at the Anglican Centrist. So I couldn't help but flag your piece on my blog as well, because you're touching on something here that's absolutely crucial to our ability to remember who we are and what we're called to be and to do as a Church. Thanks for this, Scott. You’re touching on some issues around salvation that a clergy colleague and I recently raised on my blog and over at the Anglican Centrist. So I couldn’t help but flag your piece on my blog as well, because you’re touching on something here that’s absolutely crucial to our ability to remember who we are and what we’re called to be and to do as a Church.

]]> By: Scott Gunn http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-480 Scott Gunn Fri, 23 May 2008 04:41:52 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-480 Ann, yes, I laughed a lot when I saw that. I thought about linking to it, but in view of the many parishioners who may glance at my blog these days, I was wary of some of the humor. That said, thanks for linking to the MadPriest. I really enjoyed it. It's almost as if 815 said "how can we make an ad that will inspire humor?" Pax, Scott Ann, yes, I laughed a lot when I saw that. I thought about linking to it, but in view of the many parishioners who may glance at my blog these days, I was wary of some of the humor.

That said, thanks for linking to the MadPriest. I really enjoyed it.

It’s almost as if 815 said “how can we make an ad that will inspire humor?”

Pax,
Scott

]]> By: Ann http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-479 Ann Fri, 23 May 2008 04:25:55 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-479 Click on "some" Click on “some”

]]> By: Ann http://www.sevenwholedays.org/2008/05/23/the-episcopal-churchslices-carrots/comment-page-1/#comment-478 Ann Fri, 23 May 2008 04:25:19 +0000 http://www.sevenwholedays.org/?p=199#comment-478 <a href="http://revjph.blogspot.com/2008/05/know-your-carrots.html" rel="nofollow">Some help</a> with all those knife wielding newcomers. Some help with all those knife wielding newcomers.

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